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« on: January 10, 2010, 10:58:19 AM »

Before seeing this website, I was quite aware that white supremacists/separatists existed in this world, but seeing a forum topic of their hatred was just, wow...

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=561168

The fact that they can suggest breaking ties with their sister, because of interracial marriage just boggles my mind. I know that according to civil society that we're free to do and believe as we wish as long as we don't harm anyone in the process, but looking at this just makes me see how radical people's views can reach.

To think, that as I walk out there, people will be giving me shifting looks and will be purposefully avoiding me just because I'm Asian. To think that while some people like me praise diversity and multiculturalism, and even sponsor and organize such events at my school, I could be possibly aggravating someone's views from simple altruism. It shakes my views a bit on how wide of a spectrum the world's views really are.

Now, I wholly am against and polar to their views, and not preaching any sort of ideas whatsoever. I am simply wondering what any of your views are towards radical thought and hatred in general, and any experiences you may have. Do you actively fight against it, or do you tolerate? Have you been affected by it? Have you been really astounded at how polar someone can be towards your own views?

Ah, it was good to make a topic again Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2010, 12:58:45 PM »

Stupid fucking religious people. All I have to say about it.


Anyone with such an intolerant view of the world I would never be able to consider a friend.
And If I was a part of a family like that, and they broke ties with me cos of something like this, I'd consider myself lucky.
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2010, 03:29:19 PM »

Stupid fucking religious people. All I have to say about it..

That is about the long and the short of it. It seems that religion gets in the way of rational thought all too often and people use it as justification for believing in idiotic, hateful ideas.

Take for example Question 1 in the state of Maine (U.S.) this past November. The governor signed a bill earlier in 2009 recognizing homosexual marriage as legitimate. Not just a civil union, but marriage would have been legal for homosexual couples. Everybody I know was thinking, "Finally, a little equality. We're taking a step forward with civil rights here."

HOWEVER, a bunch of religious homophobes gathered signatures to petition for a referendum on the November ballot to try and overturn the new law. I figured, "Okay, as misguided as these people's views on civil rights are, petitioning for a referendum vote is still part of the political process." Then, homophobic religious groups from California and other states (the same groups that fought so hard to repeal Proposition 8 in California the previous year.) began pumping money into Maine's "Yes On 1" campaign. They ran ads stating that homosexuality would be taught in public schools, making sound like if the law wasn't repealed, then all children in the public school system would be groomed to be homosexuals.

Now, any halfway-educated person could tell you that this was obviously a stretch of the imagination. I suppose my friends and I underestimated the power of religion over rational thought and just how absolutely fucking stupid people are. Due in part to that ad campaign and messages from local churches the law permitting homosexual marriage was overturned.

What surprised me even more was when I saw a breakdown of the polling results from Maine's 16 counties the day after the vote. The highest percentage of "No on 1" votes was 64% in Cumberland county, which houses the city of Portland (the cultural capital of Maine and the city with one of the highest populations of homosexual couples living together). So, if only 64% of voters in Maine's bastion of liberal thought voted against repeal, you can tell what the rest of the breakdown looked like. Up in Maine's northernmost county (Aroostook) the breakdown was more like 72% for repeal, 28% against.

Anyhow, after the vote was finalized there were a number of conservative political groups in the state  that claimed that repealing the homosexual marriage law was only half the battle. Depending on who is elected governor in the next election (assuming they want a Republican), they will try write a ban of homosexual marriage into the state constitution. Talk about bigotry.

I just can't stand how religious people willingly choose to subjugate others in the name of some ridiculous entity that doesn't exist. Okay, I gotta stop thinking about this before I punch a priest.
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2010, 02:16:09 AM »

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Stupid fucking religious people. All I have to say about it.

If you ask me, it's "stupid" rather than "religious" that's the key word here. No true religion would teach intolerance. The sad thing is, many people will take scripture and twist it's words to justify whatever they like. It's people like this and radicals who often give religious people a bad name. I'm religious. I'm a staunch Catholic. You don't see me going around shouting about Jesus or deciding that anyone who isn't Catholic needs to be ostracized. But that would be because I'm educated, especially educated in my faith. The people who support racism, discrimination, and hatred in the name of "religion" are sorely misguided, ignorant people.

As for homosexuality, I fully support gay rights and the right to same-sex marriage. This is pretty much the only opinion I have that goes against what my religion teaches, but personally I don't see how sexual orientation should be guided by religion. Homosexuality has been around for a long, long time; it's only recently that it's been decided that it's "wrong." On the other hand, I'm not out to get homophobic people either. If a person is homophobic that's fine. If they start deciding that they are the only kind of person who should be allowed rights, that's where the problem arises. I'm pretty tolerant of just about anybody. (I've gotta admit, atheists kind of grind my nerves sometimes though. I'm always just too non-confrontational to say anything about it.)

What kind of forum is made to support racism? That just isn't right. Who do they think they are, the internet KKK? For goodness sakes people, learn a bit of respect.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2010, 02:37:55 AM »

Stupid people indeed.

Anyhow, nothing kills the mood of a good dinner with friends than a religious person or an atheist pushing their beliefs on people (or lack thereof).
So I shall retain from that, you all know my standpoint on religion already.

Why people cant use common sense, but have to be guided by biblical "morals" and ethics is beyond me.
And it's especially disgusting when justifying something like that.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2010, 03:07:41 AM »

*shrug* A lot of people seem to lack common sense. A code of morals is a good thing. I for one think most Americans today, especially young people, could stand to learn a bit more morality, and modesty too for that matter.

But yeah it's really irritating when people try to push their beliefs on others. I'll believe what I want to, and if you don't, I'm cool with that too.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2010, 10:11:53 AM »

Golly, this is a BIG subject!  I am firmly convinced all human discrimination is based upon wealth; and instances of prejudice due to age, ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual orientation or any other aspect of the human condition are manifestations of that underlying economic bias.

In regard to religion, most but not all religions sought to embrace everyone in an agape kind of way - at least for a time.  But eventually, corruption took hold due to human weakness; namely, greed.  Mendacity thus came to the fore and stayed there.

Power elites - comprised of those very few persons who (through guile and violence) amass a great deal of wealth - seek to maintain the status quo ante because it works to their benefit; and they regularly, albeit indirectly, invoke what they claim to be "religion" in order to help maintain their privileged status.  In short, religions are misused by power elites for achievement of immoral and unethical goals.

The word "war" springs to mind, an unfathomable horror the chief purpose of which is to make billions in profit for owners of corporations.  Sadly, too many leaders of organized religions go along with the wealthy in furthering wrongful agendas.  A few such leaders might speak out against the perils of greed,  but they take no action against the greedy.  Money does indeed talk and it's proven its ability to buy inaction; and more's the pity, because excommunication could speak with a very loud voice too.  So much for religion as it's conducted today.

As it happens, I hate all forms of wrongful - i.e., immoral and/or unethical - discrimination.  What to do?  I'm puny in comparison to power elites, who create and foster divide-and-conquer prejudices in order to deflect blame for societal inequities.  I've voted, signed petitions, asked others to sign petitions, spoken out at public meetings, made signs, marched in protest, been pepper-fogged and teargassed - but nothing's changed, at least not yet.  Now it's somebody else's turn to beat the bushes for a solution.

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2010, 06:48:50 PM »

All we have to do is keep educating people.  Bring the topic out to children and the younger people.

The older stubborn racists will most likely not change their views.  But there's always a possibility they might.
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 09:58:40 PM »

Religion can weigh the mind, body, and heart down.

You cannot fight it, because religion is like a parasite.
It gets inside many people, morphing them into the image of the God they worship, and spreading the disease as if it was some sort of zombie virus.
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