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« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2009, 09:29:40 AM »

Wow, you guys are all so smart *0* I have nothing worth contributing to this conversation.. LOL
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« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2009, 01:02:44 AM »

You're also trying to explain Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation to someone with an Astrophysics degree.
"Solid system"? Funnily enough the Sun is not "solid", yet it is held together by it's own gravity.

The standard, accepted theory about the formation of black holes is that stars of mass >1.4 sol masses go supernova, compressing their core into something denser than neutrons and then "fall out" of regular space. Just being big won't do it.

Interestingly enough, as Hikaru pointed towards, if you use standard physics to try to model galactic rotation it fails. The galaxy collapses in on itself. And so physicists have suggested a modified model which isn't just dependent on the inverse square of the separation but also to the straight inverse of the separation.

Ops, I'm sorry Kryss to have posted my opinion. But whereas you have an astrohpysics degree or not, some facts cannot change in virtue of that. It is true that for a body to become something like a black hole, must have at least 1.44 masses like our sun's (the Chandrasekhar limit) but it does not point out that the body must be a sun. It consists of a gravitational field around a massive object, who collapses on itself due to it. It happens that in the universe, the most common objects for that are suns, (yeah, even I know that they are not solid in the common sense, they consist of H and He primarily)

Galaxies cannot collapse on themselves since they are not "solid" (they are not a single object, but a collection of billions of those, with their particular centre of gravity like suns and nebulae) The same objects who circle around it's massive core, with a really huge black hole, isn't it wonderfull? Really amazing! contrary to GL which was a single object way over the Chandrasekhar limit, with far more matter into it than a galaxy.

But of course, it gives an awesome show and no one stops to think about the imposibility of that while watching it trow galaxies and planets around. No one is trying to diminish GL. My comment was designed only as a silly comment. I guess I failed Sad

Remember something: A dregree does not make ideas infalible. Those are only closer to the facts as we understand more and more about nature and our place in it. There are no autorities, only experts. All ideas are whorty of expression. Even the silly ones. Eve mine for that matter.

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« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2009, 02:26:18 AM »

Amazingly, quoting an equation and punctuating it with "as this formula shows" does not prove a point. And saying that someone has a degree does not mean they are always right, that is very true.

You are completely right when you say an object must have >1.44 sol masses but you fail to mention the object must have a radius smaller than it's given Schwartzchild radius, thus taking its density over the required limit. Super massive stars exist, just look at the top-right of any Hertzsprung-Russel diagram you may have lying around.

Super awesome anime also exist and warp spacetime in such a way that non-Euclidean geometry must be used to describe the True Path of a Man.
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« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2009, 02:36:44 AM »

So very true... Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2009, 02:57:24 AM »

I do still kind of wish I had more TTGL figures...
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« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2009, 02:26:39 PM »

It's a freakin' Anime Dudes! Kick you Logic and Math to the curve! Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2009, 03:26:49 PM »

it's the super spiral plane o_o
it's not galaxies, regardless of their density, volume, mass or anything else, simply because fighting between galaxies will be incredibly faster than the speed of light. This means, for the very least, that they cannot sense each other or themselves in anyways (no eyesight, hearing, touch, anything).

Since they "bend a hole through space and time" and reached earth, I believe they were about the size of our sun or something like that, as that fits better with recent expectational growth.
(size of man --> mecha --> "space" mecha --> moon mecha --> sun/planet mecha)

though they did throw planets at it in the 11 3/15 dimension, I'm not sure how that fits in, they didn't have a chance to grow after they were the size of the moon.
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« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2009, 03:57:47 PM »

Hikaru, shhh. We've moved on, don't drag us back there.

And there will be no kicking of reason to the curb!
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« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2009, 06:14:28 PM »

You know, reading back through that makes me wish I was a smarter person. Some of that stuff is extremely interesting.
'Schwartzchild' reminded me of Midchilda from Nanoha... lol
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« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2009, 03:00:01 PM »

wow! now thats amazing. i wouldnt get i, but meca fans willkill each other for this!
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